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bullet  Legend  Posts: 67,311 | Post: #41 I gathered some data when the Big 12 was considering expansion. These are the final 11 + Memphis. I haven't updated this since that time. Full time Attendance Basketball Athletic (This post was last modified: 01-20-2019 12:57 AM by bullet.) | ||
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| bullet Legend Posts: 67,311 | Post: #43 And academic rankings. World University, ARWU rankings and US News & World Report | ||
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| Fighting Muskie Senior Chief Realignmentologist  Posts: 12,098 | Post: #44 The Pac 12 membership standards make it next to impossible for that league to expand. Iowa St, Kansas, Texas, and Rice are really the only ones up to snuff academically but Texas is the only one that improves their slumping football. They've expressed willingness to accomodate "companion" schools but they are going to have to hook Texas to entertain the notion of bringing in schools who aren't AAU. (This post was last modified: 01-20-2019 08:59 AM by Fighting Muskie.) | ||
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| colohank 1st String  Posts: 2,044 | Post: #45 (05-14-2017 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:(05-14-2017 01:34 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: The "magic number" remains 12. Expansion to 14 is because the specific schools available offered a sufficient increase in value to justify the expansion, not because of a seismic shift in the "magic number". The threshold value that a 15th and 16th adds has to be greater again. And the threshold value that a 17th & 18th adds has to be still greater. ??? | ||
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| chargeradio Vamos Morados  Posts: 7,584 | Post: #46 If you go the purely defensive route to avoid an anti-trust suit: B1G adds California, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State B1G West - California, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State, Nebraska, Iowa SEC West - Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU ACC Continental - USC, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, Duke XVIII West - Washington State, Oregon State, Utah, Boise State, UNLV, Wyoming | ||
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| Wolfman All American  Posts: 4,475 | Post: #47 Most of these proposals keep the existing B1G, SEC, ACC, and P12 intact while splitting up the B12 and/or ACC. Those are the 2 most vulnerable conferences but I don't see both splitting. There might be a scenario where the B12 splits an some ACC teams see that as an opportunity to jump to another conference. CUSA, MAC, and Sun Belt teams are not in a position to move up. BYU and ND are the only independents that appeal to the P5 but both have issues. The AAC and MW are the only 2 conferences with potential candidates. | ||
| 01-20-2019 10:39 AM |
| bluesox Heisman Posts: 5,320 | Post: #48 A magic number can be created if a rule is made that makes a number magic. 12 became a magic number because it was ruled you needed 12 to have a conference title game. If a rule is created that 15,16 or 18 can have a semifinal than a title game for conferences that number will be the new magic number. I like the big 10 jumping to 40, 4 divisions of 10 and the sec jumping to 24. Each league has has 2 game playoff and winners meet in title game. (This post was last modified: 01-20-2019 10:54 AM by bluesox.) | ||
| 01-20-2019 10:49 AM |
| Nerdlinger Realignment Enthusiast Posts: 5,079 | Post: #49 Here's my semi-plausible P4x18: ACC Big Ten Pac-18 SEC * = football only (primary conference) Connecticut has dropped football and rejoined the Big East. (This post was last modified: 01-20-2019 12:38 PM by Nerdlinger.) | ||
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| USM@FTL All American Posts: 3,645 | Post: #50 Precisely. 5 and 6 teams are the best size for a division. 3 or 4 divisions. You can preserve old rivalries and discover new ones. Getting that semifinal round is everything to this scenario, but giving relief to a conference that's grown large seems within reason. Another round, for 8 teams, would be ludicrous. Making 18, and thereby 24, viable, could promote restructuring and consolidation. | ||
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| JRsec Super Moderator  Posts: 38,757 | Post: #51 (01-20-2019 01:03 PM)USM@FTL Wrote: Precisely. 5 and 6 teams are the best size for a division. 3 or 4 divisions. You can preserve old rivalries and discover new ones. That sir is what most posters on this topic, especially G5 posters, fail to grasp. Create a malleable structure and where 18 exist today there is room more when their addition makes it profitable to do so. The debate should not really ever be about numbers. The debate should be about structure. If conferences move to semi finals that money remains wholly with the conference. Therefore if a conference profits from a semi final it will happen. If it does not it won't. The networks invest in the national playoffs. 4 guarantees a profit right now. 8 would not. You are more than doubling production costs for 4 less compelling games. Permit the P5 to restructure to a P4 and in a format that would permit growth, and then access to the championship series becomes a matter of play on the field. If growing those 4 conferences makes the conferences more profitable then it will happen. Growth to 4 conferences of 18 gives 7 of the best G5's a promotion now. That's a much easier path to promotion than what currently exists and much more sure of a way to guarantee access to the playoffs than expanding the CFP to a number of games the networks couldn't really justify financially. Would they turn a profit? Probably. Would that profit versus overhead be as high as with just 3 games and 4 teams? No. | ||
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| ArQ 1st String Posts: 1,076 | Post: #52 (05-14-2017 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:(05-14-2017 01:34 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: The "magic number" remains 12. Expansion to 14 is because the specific schools available offered a sufficient increase in value to justify the expansion, not because of a seismic shift in the "magic number". The threshold value that a 15th and 16th adds has to be greater again. And the threshold value that a 17th & 18th adds has to be still greater. Your list is wrong. Delany wants to add the following schools to 22. Clemson | ||
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| ArQ 1st String Posts: 1,076 | Post: #53 (01-20-2019 02:58 PM)ArQ Wrote:(05-14-2017 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:(05-14-2017 01:34 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: The "magic number" remains 12. Expansion to 14 is because the specific schools available offered a sufficient increase in value to justify the expansion, not because of a seismic shift in the "magic number". The threshold value that a 15th and 16th adds has to be greater again. And the threshold value that a 17th & 18th adds has to be still greater. B1G Inner Circle Division: Minnesota B1G Outlander Division: Nebraska | ||
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| Fighting Muskie Senior Chief Realignmentologist Posts: 12,098 | Post: #54 The Big Ten adds Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa St: Big Ten West: Okla, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St, Iowa, Nebraska Each team plays their 5 division mates annually and then 2 teams from each of the other divisions on a rotating basis. Ohio St-Mich is the lone protected crossover. | ||
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| DavidSt Hall of Famer  Posts: 23,458 | Post: #55 Structure P4 into 4 pods of 6 which makes 24 teams in a conference. 18 would not work for a perfect structure. You would get uneven teams in a pod. The 12th game would the semi-finals of the conference play. 4 teams in the semis and the 13th would be the championship game for the conference between the 2 winners of the semis. You get 5 round robin games plus 5 cross pod games and 1 OOC game. | ||
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| Statefan Banned Posts: 3,511 | Post: #56 The magic number is 15 and 18 based on three divisions within a conference. Who has 15 and who has 18 is constrained in part by geography. At 15 the only ACC addition is ND. At 15 the only B10 addition is Oklahoma. At 15 the P12 adds Texas, OU, and Kansas At 15 the SEC adds Oklahoma. Some of these outcomes are mutually exclusive. (This post was last modified: 01-20-2019 05:58 PM by Statefan.) | ||
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| esayem Hark The Sound! Posts: 17,192 | Post: #57 Until there is a rule that states a CCG can feature teams from 2/3 divisions within a conference, this conversation is fantasy. What’s more likely, and actually being talked about, is scrapping divisions totally. 18 isn’t the magic number. 14 and an 8 game schedule (possibly 15 and a 9 game schedule) without divisions is ideal and every conference should have that opportunity. | ||
| 01-20-2019 06:13 PM |
| Fighting Muskie Senior Chief Realignmentologist Posts: 12,098 | Post: #58 The only way I like 18 (or 15) is if there are conference semi finals with 3 division winners and a wild card. Get the NCAA to legislate it and now we have something. | ||
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| esayem Hark The Sound! Posts: 17,192 | Post: #59 (01-20-2019 06:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: The only way I like 18 (or 15) is if there are conference semi finals with 3 division winners and a wild card. Get the NCAA to legislate it and now we have something. How is that going to work when there isn’t even enough of a push to expand the playoffs at a national level yet? More rematches is the worst idea, and now they’re going to expand the regular season instead? Tall tales, my friends. Creative, albeit unrealistic. (This post was last modified: 01-20-2019 06:56 PM by esayem.) | ||
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| ChrisLords Heisman Posts: 8,704 | Post: #60 Here's a 3x24 model B1G - Football 5-3-1 divisional format South Central West SEC - 8 game conference schedule. 5-1-1-1 South South West West Big 24 - Football 5-3-1 divisional format South South West West Non-football AAC South Non-football MWC - 8 conference games West Non-football | ||
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